Thursday, November 17, 2016

Shopping at Lo Wu (Luohu) Shenzhen

Firstly, 'Missy' is your new name and don't you forget it! Secondly, 'Same same but different.' is the motto of the day.
The complex consists of 5 floors with many small shops on each floor.  (Approximately 1500 in total)  Each shop has a number with the first digit representing the floor it is on.  For example shop 5089 is on the 5th floor. The shops cluster and spread out around escalators.  
The complex is relatively clean and very easy to get around.  It is recommended to spend 2 days here with a decent break in between. The toilets are all squat toilets and not great but I have seen worse!
Inside the shopping complex
SEE BELOW FOR DETAILED INSTRUCTIONS. 
Entering China and Visa Instructions
There are two options: 
2. Border visa. Opens at 9:00am $25 single entry. (Detailed instructions for obtaining a border visa below) 2012

  • Take passport with your arrival card into Hong Kong, any other ID and yuan cash.  168 yuan per person regardless of age.
  • Catch MTR to Lo Wu as usual.  
  • Get off train and go through customs.  (this is departure from Hong Kong customs.  You need to fill in a departure form. NO VISA REQUIRED HERE!
  • Go through usual customs check and proceed along walkway with millions of others  Follow the visitor signs.  As you are walking look out for a sign up high slightly to the left saying something like "foreign Visa" Don't follow the crowds as not may people are doing this.  Go up the stairs at the left and there is a small outside desk, like at an old bank counter.  
Follow the blue sign at the top left up the escalators to the visa office
  • Fill in your visa forms as required.  
Fill in your form at the top of the escalator before you enter the glass doors and take a number
  • Go into the waiting area behind you through glass doors and take a number from the automatic ticket machine and sit. 
  •  When your number is called go up, hand in your forms, get your photo taken with a little camera like at airports and then you are asked to sit again.  
  • When you are called again, go up and pay your visa IN CASH, 168 RMB, sit again.
  • When you are called again, receive your visa and you' re off.  
  • Once you have your visa, go back down the stairs and continue to the next customs office.  Fill in your "arrival form" for China, go through customs.
  • Walk on again until you leave the building into the open air.
Walk across in the mall.  Touts will approach you
  • We arrived the office at 9:15 and the whole process from the Hong Kong border crossing to entering Shen Zhen takes a good hour.  If there are more people at the visa office, then it will take longer.  

I USUALLY JUST SAY.  I HAVE A SPECIAL FRIEND, I HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE, NO THANK YOU! I HAVE EVEN SAID 'ITS A SECRET SHOP" AND THEY JUST LAUGH AND WALK OFF. ALSO DO NOT BE PHASED IF THEY PREDICT WHAT SHOP YOU ARE GOING TO AND SAY ITS CLOSED OR FOLLOW ME.  JUST GO STRAIGHT TO YOUR SHOPS ON YOUR OWN.
'NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN RUDE TO ME.  THEY TREAT ME WITH THE SAME RESPECT AS I TREAT THEM.  EXCEPT WHEN BARGAINING, THEN ITS ON FOR YOUNG AND OLD!'
(2013) As we walked into the mall as usual touts approached us with business cards.  This time things were different.  Each time a tout approached us a plain clothes policeman grabbed them and took them away.  We found this quite intimidating but were later told that because it is close to new year, police were after more pay off money.   
Love the sign!
Sorry daughter, bad photo!
  • A small roller bag each (for your purchases)
  • Bottles of water
  • Flat shoes and preferably wear a dress so you can try on jeans easily.
  • A crossover handbag for safety. Split your cash among people or family.
  • Your passport, and arrival card
  • Chinese yuan (Renminbi) You will need this for the visa! You can take HK dollars, but it is easier to work out prices in the same currency.  Although we were told we could get out China RMB at ATM's in Hong Kong, we could not.  You can either, change money at Chungking mansions, Nathan Road. Tsim Sha Tsui (search a number of money changers for best rates), change money at the train station at Hung Hom, or at Low Wu train station (A little scary!)   Try to get as much as you want to spend, as the ATM's in Lo Wu, including the train station ALL often run out of money by 7:00pm which is really annoying.
  • Your list of shops (this is really important to save you time)
  • Any photos of the items you require. The whole process is SO much quicker when you have a picture. I also found that they seem to stock the very current and only very popular models of items.  Therefore if you find the handbag of your dreams on some shonky internet site and it happens to be from the 2008 winter collection, you will have a lot of trouble finding it unless it is a classic model.  And the same goes if you want the model that was released one month ago, you won't get this either.
Shopping Tips 
  • You will be followed and harassed all day.  You can be cranky, kind, friendly and stubborn, but nothing works.  Just be polite and do what you want to do.  Have fun and enjoy the experience. Besides this is their job everyday, to annoy you!
  • Once you are there and the shops are open, book your restaurant for lunch and go straight to your tailor and organise your clothes to be made. 
  • Lunch options:
  1. Laurel restaurant on the 5th floor and another restaurant on the 3rd floor.  Laurel is really busy and books out early.  We also thought it was really expensive for what it was.  
  1. 3rd floor restaurant, it was cheaper and also nice. There are also toilets very near both restaurants.  
  1. Ground or 1st floor- 'Fairwood' - A great Chinese fast food type restaurant.  Very new.  Go to the register and point to the picture of the meal you want. Pay and go opposite with your ticket.  Hand it to the chef and line up and they prepare your meal with drinks on a tray in front of you. (a bit look maccas, but Chinese style!)  Take it when ready and go to your table.  Very easy, cheap, quick and clean and you don't need to speak a word of English: point, sit  and eat!
Great food at Fairwood takeaway restaurant
  • My third time in Lo Wu I found that I bargained a lot more ruthlessly as I was a lot more confident of my surroundings.  Remember...there are countless shops with the same products.  Except for the tailor (fixed price), we always go down 60%/70%  of the original price (yes...2/3 off!) and then sometimes went up a little more to about 40%, depending on price etc.  Not one person ever said 'No' to us at these prices.  If you know your prices that helps so much.  The shop assistants know if they can bully you or not.  Be confident and pretend you know the price.  Do not go over 50% of the price.You must be prepared to walk off and if your kids are with you they find this tactic very difficult and then beg you to stay and so you are fighting with your kids and the shop assistant, so make sure your children are aware of what you are doing!
  • You can use credit cards for big purchases from the one shop.  Each time we used our credit card, we were taken to a pretty 'Tea Shop" where a man charged us 5% commission on the card transaction. It was very safe, he did it out in the open and most people were lining up there. But really just use cash!
  • 2013 This time a girl comes to the shop with a portable creditcard machine.  gives the price with her 4% charge and does on the spot.  Very useful for large purchases from one shop.
Shop Numbers and Prices 
These are the shops that we have bought items from.  However, I know this list is endless and will be constantly updated.  They are sorted from Ground floor 1 up to 5th floor. 
*note 2013 updates!
*note: 2012 updates
Ground/1st Floor (as you walk in)
1058B9 2012 wallets, watches and little stuff. A front counter type shop. LCD watch 40 yuan ($6), Cath Kidston inspired Tri fold oil cloth wallet 120 yuan ($18). 
2013/2012 Walk through to shops behind and there is an underwear lady directly behind her.  Same shop number but different lady and different counter. Great quality Calvin Klein inspired undies, sock etc.  Piles and piles of stock.  She brings them out in droves.  We paid 300yuan for 13 pieces (socks undies, women's men's) The women's undies fit me easily (Size 10 Australian) I think I got Large.  Teen girls got medium/small. 
Ground Floor 2012 Another great Vans inspired shop near by.  Had a large variety.  Paid 120/150 yuan. ($15-$20) 
Fairwood Restaurant (see information above)
Fairwood Restaurant
2nd Floor
2013 Jewellery section (yay! I found it)
209 Xin Qi Li Shoes Shop -  2013 recommended by Kyle.  Very good quality running shoes. Ugg boots and designer shoes.  They had books to look through which was new for us.  Kyle gave us suggestions for prices and how to approach the owners but he left us on our own to negotiate.  They were ruthless and unless I didnt have a guide we would have paid more.  As it is I couldn't get them down as low as I would have liked.  We paid about $15-$25 for Vans through to NB and Nike and then I gave up on the Ugg boots so left and then got them for $30.  They wanted $55.  
2087 Anna Optical.  3 other Anna shops. 2012 recommended by Kyle.  This is not reflection on Kyle.  She was OK and we paid the same price as Peter's optical. The only issue is I didn't like her range or quality.  The glasses are great but the frames are a little boring.  I bought no sunglasses from her as her range was very very limited.  
As we left a good and bad thing happened.  Firstly, she threatened us to only ever go to her shop and that if we went to Peter's optical she would know and find us (what the??. We still went of course!) and secondly there is a great UGG boot shop next door.  (I don't think we went to the shop on the second floor, as I can't remember, but one of the Anna shops has an Ugg boot shop and we got real suede leather Ugg boots for 240 yuan ($30).  I didn't really want them (which is always a good thing when bargaining, so I said I couldn't be bothered to him as he wanted $100 Australian and then he said just tell me what you want to pay Australian, I said $30 (240 yuan) and he said ok! How many you want, I said 2 and that was that! 2012
3rd Floor
Jewellery Bazaar- an area full of pearls, jewellery makers I have never found this area!!! Must be too tired to look? 2012
Shop 3239 Peter's Optical (main shop) or 3140 (just near the escalators). 2013 2012  He also has a bigger shop around the corner He sells a large range of designer inspired sunglasses and glasses frames. He will even have your own glasses tested and then put prescription glass lenses in for you in about 20 minutes.  He is very, very helpful but I think he drives a very hard bargain. We paid about 170 yuan ($25) for designer optical frames and sunglasses.  The optical frames are beautiful quality and come with cases.  We paid 380 yuan ($56) for gorgeous Prada inspired optical frames including prescription lenses inserted and other broken glasses fixed free in 20 minutes. Designer inspired sunglasses similar in design to Vivienne Westwood, Prada, Gucci, Dior, Oakley, Porsche (Hmmm?) Fendi, Chanel etc.  They brought out much better quality ones underneath the counter.  We paid about 170 yuan ($25) for these but I do think we could have got him down to 150 yuan, but who cares. Finally, as we were leaving, and I don't know why he did this, but he came rushing back from his other shop and whispered to us that he had the 'real deal'  Now I am little skeptical here, but its all a game, isn't it?  He pulled out some Dior's and Ray Bans.  They were 'unbelievable'!   We had also bought some Ray ban inspired sunglasses at another shop and holding and feeling these we could tell the quality was amazing.  The logos were perfectly positioned, laser engraving on the glasses lenses, tags attached, cases, cleaning cloth the whole thing.  So we ended up paying 170 yuan ($25) for the real Ray Ban's ?? as he had heaps of them, but I paid a princely sum of 300 yuan $40 for my real Dior's ?? and haven't regretted one cent.  They are simply beautiful, heavy with lovely diamante sides. It was funny, however, that as we were leaving the prices dropped for better quality!!!  
2012- Peter's optical.  The experience was very different but still great..  Firstly, we went to his big shop, it is better.  Secondly, the prices have gone up.  The quality is still great and the only reason I got the same price was becasue I pulled out the prices from 2010 with their writing on it.  Peter (or the owner) was not there.  They were still really really nice and very helpful.  I would go back again. 
2013 Peter's Optical.  Still a great experience.  Items very high quality. One of the girls is extremely helpful with perfect English.  Prices are the same but a much better range. Got the most stunning current Tiffany optical glasses with lenses.  $60
Peter's Optical
Peter's Optical
Shop 3154 - Lin- watches, bags, Tiffany inspired jewellery, good quality DVD's
Shop 3226A Ming Hong 2013 - Real designer clothing with tags ripped out. Dolce and Gabbana $10 linen top absolutely stunning.
Shop 3255 Ming Hui Xie Hang - 2013 Fixed price shoes.  Great western designs ranging from $5-$20. 
4th Floor 
Shop 4064A - Jewellery and cuff links- great quality
2013 Owen Jeans - Still the best fitting jeans.  Great prices.  Have gone up to 120yuan which I am happy with. Very nice polite people.
2017 Shop 4283 Kyle and cousin (the girl)  
"KYLE HAS LEFT THE BUILDING AS THEY SAY"
Website:  http://shenzhenkyle.com
Email: lovejewelrybag@hotmail.com.  
Instagram: @shenzhenkyle
Whatsapp: +86 1340618951
He is still awesome and still in business.
Me and my little handbag friend (Kyle)!
2012 Kyle is highly recommended on Trip Adviser and expat websites.  
2012: Kyle is sending me some items to Australia, I will update this when it happens. He has a paypal account.  
Update:  Kylie sent me 2 deliveries of handbags and jewellery.  The prices were the same as what I paid at his shop.  The postage was about $30 for 2 handbags and jewellery.  It took 5 days, I paid through paypal and all went very smoothly.  I may even do this from one than having to spend so many hours at his shop. 
2013 Purchases from Kyle......AAA to AA quality.......All great
2013 the row behind Kyle's shop are real designer brand clothing with the tags ripped out.  They vary in prices but have clearance racks out the front with clothes for about $10-$20.  I bought real Chloe, Anna Sui, Celine and Dolce and Gabbana clothes.  They are absolutely stunning.  I didn't get the shop numbers but just stroll along and look through them.
Shop 4388 Chen Bao Mei  - Dianne von Hersenberg, Chloe, Anna Sui, Celine  real designer dresses with tags ripped out. (Maybe samples?)  Priced from $10 and up.  Some normal dress shops intermingled. A number of sizes as well.  Loved this shop!!
Anna Sui
Celine
Tag ripped out
5th Floor
Complimentary chicken Feet!
Shop 5086 Adah - Tailor -  Maria's little gem. Fixed price. She is next to the escalators and easy to find with a huge sign.  Adah is delightful and now has her sister-in-law working with her.  They both speak excellent English and are very honest and reliable.  Adah is excellent with "same same" So take your favourites from home and have them copied exactly.  If you ask her to make something from a picture, you are risking disappointment.  Once you have shown her your clothes, her sister-in-law will take you to the fabric market to pick out the fabric.  I only bought from the first 2 ladies and they were brilliant.  What ever I asked for, they pulled out.  They seemed to know exactly what I was looking for.  I even asked for vintage designs which they had.  I paid about 50 yuan ($7) for 2 metres of most fabric.  They will then measure your outfit and cut the fabric.  You then go back to Adah where she will offer you 2 options; either deliver to your hotel in 2/3 days or send back to Australia.  We opted for Australia as we had run out of time.  She will add postage to your package.  Adah took my clothes and then took a pattern from them, it took about 4 hours for her to finish the pattern.  When we went back in 4 hours (yes, we were still there!!) she had all my original items ready to give back to me. Prices were 80 yuan ($10) for shorts, 180 yuan ($26) for stunning 1950's type dresses. 100 yuan ($14) for mens paid long shorts.  Watch the crutch as one pair was a little long. Men's suit pants 250 yuan ($36) You can also get uniforms made there.
Other items  
Leaving with 2 roller bags full
 Have Fun!

Lo Wu (Luohu) Commercial Centre is situated at the border of People's Republic of China and Hong Kong.  



You will need a visa before you arrive as you are now entering the Peoples Republic of China.  Check with the Chinese embassy in your country for visa requirements.  




Getting there from KowloonMTR station: Hung Hom and East Tsim Sha Tsui
Get to Hung Hom station by 8:30am at the latest. You will need a whole day there and it takes about an hour to get a visa. Shops are open from 10:30am. By the time you get to Lo Wu, get through customs and take a breath, the shops will be opening. If you are early you can always go to eat Dim Sum. At Hung Hom follow the signs to the Lo Wu MTR line.  If you walk into the station and turn right, you will get to the ticket counters for Guangzhou and beyond.  A different line all together. So walk straight ahead.

You can reach the Hung Hom MTR station by another MTR line (East Tsim Sha Tsui) or go straight there by taxi, but this is where the Lo Wu train starts and ends. It was cheaper and quicker to go by taxi for the 4 of us from Jordan area than to take a MTR. 35HK ($5) So it depends on where you are staying.  You can use your Octopus Card to get to Lo Wu and it costs 66HK return for 2nd class and 120HK return for first class, so make sure you have enough credit on your Octopus Card to get you home. You can also buy a ticket at the station.  We only took 2nd class as we couldn't be bothered walking down to the 1st class carriage. It is exactly the same as the Hong Kong MTR's inside.  The first class has more seats.  It is only a 40 minute ride and we got a seat there and back as there are so many trains.

Once you reach Lo Wu (this is where the line ends), follow the crowds to customs.




Getting your visa at the border is the cheapest and easiest option if you are Australian.  There are a few other countries who are allowed to do this but not all.  So check before you go. At certain times and events China will shut the border visa office.  For example, it was shut when the Beijing Olympics was on and you could only get a visa in your home country.  So always check first to avoid disappointment.

1. Buy one in Australia for $90/2 entries or $60/1 entry. (prices as of 2012) 





Walk out the train station entrance and over to the right is the large commercial building right angled to the train station.  Walk over the pedestrian bridge and into the centre to the right.  You may be approached by touts wanting to give you cards or take you to their shops.  You do not need to, be polite and say 'No thank you'  





DO NOT take any business cards or show them your cards or allow them to take you to a shop or else they will follow you all day or want commission from that shop.  Just remember, this is their job and they will not attack or kill you, only annoy the $^&!* out of you.  Come to Lo Wu with a respectful, happy attitude and they will respect you back. However, of course, watch out for people brushing against you as there are pickpockets. When you leave, there are sometimes sad little families with cute kids (who need a good scrub) wanting your loose change...this is a great way to get rid of your RMB coins.


What To Take:





 

Shop 1058A1 2012 Very good quality London bags.  5 wallets/toiletry bags-total price 380 yuan. ($56) She started 900RMB so watch out! Also, these bags were not available at all in any markets in Hong Kong in 2012. 

1072 2012 Shoes/ electronics - Great men's/ teens brand inspired sports shoes (similar to Asics, Diesel) for about 100 yuan ($20) The guy has money pinned around the counter from all over the world. Vans were 110 yuan but I fought very hard for this price and she got very cranky with me and told me that  in Australia we pay $90.  I told her 'but these are fake and not real and are only cheap shoes with a sticker on them' and she laughed embarrassingly, called me mean and would only take the money from my daughter. (haha!) I still got them.  BEATS headphones, blue tooth 410 yuan  ($60) (brilliant quality and still work.  BEATS buds (not great quality and broke, but could have been the teen being rough?) 100 yuan ($15).  


2013 Opposite the Underwear lady is a Abocrombie and Fitch lady.  Bought a very heavy grey hoodie for 250yuan.  She started at 400 yuan. Next to the underwear lady was a man selling electronics and phone cases.  Bought Dr Dre headphones for 150 yuan which we think is cheap as have paid a lot more at other shops.  They work well.  Also got a very cheap very good quality Cath Kidston phone case for 









  
Jewellery section 2D-23 Amy 2013 recommended by Kyle. Small shop full of current designer jewellery.  Good prices and good quality.  Amy is very nice.  Seemed to give us very good prices or the same as last year. Tiffany inspired earrings 50 yuan, necklaces 70 yuan. LV bracelet 70 yuan. Chen Lu Lu wrap bracelets 70 yuan.  large O rings (possibly really 925 silver) 100 yuan.  chajh_2006@126.com

 
Jewellery section 2G-17 Susie- Sunglasses similar to Fendi 70 yuan ($10)  Then opposite Susie and down a little is a decent Tiffany inspired shop.  Directly opposite the Tiffany inspired shop is a AAA watch shop. Give the name and model number for quicker service.  200 yuan($30) for decent AAA quality men's and around 70 yuan for women's. 











 
Shop 3060B - 2013 Cath Kidston bags. Easy to bargain with $5-$10 


Shop 3186 - Jenny - Great variety of jeans and T shirts. (Owen is better!)
 
Shop 3192- Bags. Mel's discovery. AAA amazing quality. Tell them you want to go to the shipping container as there is a better range. All safe.  The lady would rather take your blood than bargain and she is exhausting.  Don't pay any more than 780 yuan ($120) for a handbag. If you have a picture it is so much easier and quicker.  The newer your picture the more likely they will have it. Always check the zips and leather inside and out carefully and slowly. 



Shop 3368 Angie - Optical shop 

Shop 4083- Joe - Ipod speakers that work!

Shop 4089 - I haven't been here but it is recommended for AAA quality handbags for about 600 yuan ($80).

Shop 4138 I.T. Jeans/Owen  Great jeans and closest to Western sizes.  Very friendly and helpful people.  I only paid 110 yuan for each pair of jeans/shorts. I got the same size as I would in Australia and the girl knew her sizing perfectly.  Each jeans (like the originals fit different age groups) 7 for all mankind were the 'kindest' to my body shape.  True Religion were not so forgiving but the same applies to originals. I actually told them that I had paid 90 yuan at the jeans wholesalers in Guangzhou which was true, so they straight away dropped their prices to this.  They allowed us to try them on behind a sheet.  Very awkward, especially when you fall over!  We bought jeans similar to True religion jeans and shorts, Diesel inspired jeans, Abercrombie inspired shorts.  Great quality and fit.  They even had the tags and prices ready for sale somewhere in the world!


THIS SHOP HAS NOW CLOSED!


Kyle is now a valet shopping guide and delivers to Hong Kong and online

Contact Details:





Checkout my post update on the home page for more detailed info about Kyle.









We turned up with a shop already full of Australian women.  He was lovely, with delightful English.  Quietly spoken.  Ice is also gorgeous and spot on.  All his staff are also lovely.  I gave him pictures and off they went.  Some items they did not have but tried to sort it out with other options.  Their range was not absolutely endless but remember how many handbags are out there.  They can't stock everything.  I had a backup plan this time and made sure I took a selection.  I had also emailed him previously about some items.  He also sell designer inspired jewellry and watches.  I can only give you an approximate price as I was given a 650 yuan ($100) discount at the end.  He also sells different quality of the same product, so ask for cheap, good AAA for each and of course the price reflects this too.  Real leather, perfect design handbag 780 yuan, LV wallets zipper 230 yuan ($35), AAA mens watch 375 yuan ($58), MJ clutch, real leather 200 yuan ($30), non leather MJ laptop and cross over 160 yuan ($25) each, T and Co. cuff 120 yuan ($20), earrings all sorts 100 yuan ($15), Mulberry real leather men's bag 380 yuan ($60), These prices are close to approximate as he gave me a discount at the end.  We paid in Yuan and HK as we bought a lot but didn't want to use our visa cards. 















Shop 4302 Nancy - We were sent here from Owen jeans and this is the sister.  She was delightful, with a cute little shop and lots of chairs!!  She had a library of books where we showed her our pictures, then she showed us her pictures, radioed through to somewhere and miraculously these items appeared in minutes.  I must have looked at 12 handbags in 1 hour.  I specifically asked for different qualities as I had already bought AAA quality in Guangzhou. I bought the most amazing denim backpack, only AA quality compared to Guangzhou, for 400 yuan ($60)  The quality was brilliant for the price.  I had asked her for this quality as well. She had the same one in AAA quality for 700 yuan ($100) Also bought fabric inspired designer bags for 240 yuan ($30).  The originals are fabric as well.  Great quality.  She also had beautiful jewellery similar to Tiffany ( I'll let you know in a year!) She had all the pictures to choose from (too easy)  Cuff links 60 yuan ($8) Key ring 90 yuan ($12), key 150 yuan ($22) small open heart 70 yuan ($10), Larger Flower cuff bracelet 120 yuan ($17), bead necklace 150 yuan ($22)

I really liked the fact that it was all in one shop, one transaction as well.  I was sort of happy with her prices but she didn't bargain much as she said she was giving me special prices being the sister??  As I had paid these prices about 2 years ago I was happy, but if I had walked away, who knows? I paid with credit card here at the tea man.

Shop 4332 Jenny Michael- We went to both of these accidentally. 2012 same prices  and same great quality but Owen is better!











Laurel Restaurant Very expensive and had to book and also wait.  Great service, very welcoming. We paid about $50 Australian for 5 small dishes. 




Our clothes arrived in Australia approximately 3 weeks later via EMS postal service.

Shop 5138 - June - (Adah's friend) Great DVD's. Bought whole ten years of Friends for 180 yuan ($26) She also sells Tiffany type jewellery and watches.  Don't go to her rooms out of the building as it is too far and she works with another shop and it is too messy to work out. 



Pay about 70 yuan ($12) for everyday shoes.  Iphone cases are about 12-35 yuan ($2 to $5)  Ipad accessories are cheap.  Ipad/iphone keyboards and anything you plug into them check they work on your iphone as I checked a couple and they all didn't work at all and the girl just shrugged her shoulders. The ones in Hong Kong did work. Clothes on the 4th floor had real brand with the tags cut out of them.  They are very small sizes.






46 comments:

Anonymous said...

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, this is why i love the internet.
You have been so informative and precise.
I am heading to hong kong on wed and going shopping in shenzen on thursday and i will be printing you info and taking it with me to study on the plane.
It is so great to have a price guide as i know i will probably be ripped off a bit as mybheart takes over my head when shopping these price guides should help to keep me focused.
thank you again for your Blog.

Anonymous said...

omg i thank god for stumbling onto your blog! You have ALL the precious information I need to blaze myself into Louhu this coming thursday. Thanks you so much! I am planning for make 3 bridesmaid dresses, 3 sister's evening dresses, do you think they have the means for some complicated designs?

Anonymous said...

thank you so much for your helpful information. I thank god for stumbling too your site. Am heading over to louhu for bridesmaid dresses and evening gowns. Do you think they have the skill set for complicated designs?

Anonymous said...

thankyou missy for all the information provided.

You mentioned in the Shen Zhen article you were waiting for deliveries from Kyle. Did they arrive and were they what you expected.

Also wondering on the quality of stuff bought (ie do the AAA watch stop working after a couple of months)? and do you recommend going straight to Kyle in LuoHu (he has got good reviews and negate the hassle)?

I am also aussie looking to go to Shen Zhen later in the year. your feedback would be much appreciated.

Kathie Ginman said...

Hi there. Glad you liked my blog. Yes! go to Kyle. and Yes, he sent me everything twice now! Great guy. Check out his website for catalogues too. His markup is reasonable. I have been to about 3 bag people now and was so cranky with their underhanded rudeness and scamming that I searched for hours to find Kyle. Just know what you want to pay and stick to it. If you don't like his prices don't pay. He also gives you a discount at the end. Expect to spend about 2/3 hours with him if you want lots of things. In my experience you can't get AAA all leather perfect quality for much under $90 for new releases. The bags are beautiful quality, even the cheaper A quality ones. You can tell the difference and sometimes it doesn't mater if they're not leather as they still look great. Don't bother with the watches. He sent me a Gucci cuff that is already losing time. Same with most of my watches. When I go back in December I am going to ask him to change it. Go to my watch guy in Hong kong instead and get a real Citizen, Seiko or DKNY! Also my friend just came back from Lo Wu and she went to my old shop Nancy and she was gorgeous yet again. Also only go to Owen jeans, not Jenny Michael as they were too small and not true to size. Owen had a much better range. The prices I listed here are still working so stick to your guns. Remember, they are copies and don't let them say what they are really worth as they are just copies.
Have fun.

Anonymous said...

Kathie. Thanks for your reply. will keep all you have said in mind.

The Hong Kong watch guy is "Astor watch Co" you mentioned in the Tsim Sha Tsui section of the blog right.

Are the ladies market in HK as good as Kyle in shen zhen or is it more advisable to go straight to Kyle.

Cheers
Andrew

Kathie Ginman said...

Yes, Astor watch company is excellent. He deals with a lot of Australians and gives a discount after each watch is chosen. No copies here. We got a men's Seiko worth $800 here for about $250. Great kids, adults casio's etc too. Also, Wilson and sons are great too. But haven't bought there, all my friends do though. Ladies markets are fun. But a lot of haggling and all westerners. You can get ripped off. Not as much copy stuff last time. Fun to go to at night but the quality range is nothing like Lo Wu with 1500 shops! They are true open air markets, Lo Wu is a true shopping centre. Thanks

William Knott said...

could anyone give me the contact information of peters optical shenzhen?

wjknott@gmail.com

Kathie Ginman said...

Sorry. I have tried to contact them before but no response. The email that I had was wrong.

Anonymous said...

Hi Kathie
I too have just stumbled on your blob and it is so informative as my hubby and I are going to Malaysia and HK and I have heard of this huge shopping centre.I am wondering if the lady you have met Adah makes Doona covers as I have seen one here in Aussie and it is a silk kind of material and is only sold directly to a specialty bedding store and is $300 just for the cover.Is it possible to send Adah a pic and see of she is able to make it ahead of me going to Shenzen as we may be there only for 2 days.i took some really good pics of it as well as the sheer curtailing that goes with the Doona cover.i was hoping to e mail it to her is that possible?
Thank you again for the time you have out in to this blog to help others like myself it is very kind of you.
Cheers Annie

Kathie Ginman said...

Hi Annie. I have not used Adah for 2 years now so not sure if her email is correct? I have met her a d her sister 3 times. They are very nice and helpful. Email her as she can only say no. Just remember that she gets it done off site. Sometimes it it put if your control but if she is cheap then it doesn't matter. Only thing is you need to pick your fabric when you are there. The fabric is incredible quality and so cheap but I never realized the quality until I came back. Cheap the finished product there rather than post back if possible so she can fix it for you. Kathie

Anonymous said...

Thank you Kathie
I was unsure you would get this above e mail as it didn't look as though it had been sent.
Do you have an e mail address for Adah s sister?
Also can you recommend accmodation?
Thanks again
Annie

Kathie Ginman said...

Adah's email is huagang.adah@163.com

Check Trip advisor for accommodation as it is a very personal thing. My hotel c=recommendations are on my blog. Thanks

Jenny said...

Thanks so much Kathie - I'll be going in 3 weeks and the thought daunts me a little bit. I'm on an organised tour for the day from HK so will obviously be taken to their favourites but the price guide is great. I' ve also been told that a lady called Angel is very good. Thanks again.

Anonymous said...

Hi Kathie,
Your blog is so informative thank you for sharing...I'm looking to buy a 1:1 mirror replica bag.. I would like real leather and duplicate design and hardware would you recommend Kyle or Wholesale shopping in Guangzhou. I plan on doing a couple orders over the net and visiting in December 2013.... I guess I'm asking who would you trust sight unseen for best quality and price? Thanks

Kathie Ginman said...

I do trust Kyle as he recently told me the quality of a handbag and recommended another one. So far everything he has sent me has been great however I know the quality as have bought many before. The guangzhou wholesale markets are absolutely perfect quality, amazing and much cheaper than Shen Zhen. But you may need a guide to take you, pay to get there, a $100 visa and accommodation so unless you want to sight see as well that doesn't make the bag as cheap. Whereas for me I only need a $20 visa and MTR ride to LoWu so it is worth it. I personally wouldn't go to Guangzhou without a personal guide but I would go on my own in Shen Zhen. Depends how confident you are in finding your way around Guangzhou.

andry potter said...

Hi Kathie, thank you for you blog. This is what we need before to go Lowu market. I have one question. As I am looking for differente stuff (mens tshirt, jeans, bags,watches...) do you suggest to go directly to Kyle and ask everything to him or going to different shop for different stuff?

thank you so much again.
Andrea

Kathie Ginman said...

Hi Andrea. It's up to you. Kyle recommended a new glasses shop and I didn't like her and ended up at my original glass man. Because I have my shops I like I just go to them. I like their attitude and business sense. Thx K

Cmasonmom said...

Hi Kathie,
I love your site! How wonderful that you took the time to post this for all us newbies. My husband is traveling to both Guangzhou and Shenzen on business within the next week. I am looking for exceptional quality replicas in Gucci and Prada. Where would you recommend ?

Kathie Ginman said...

The best quality is in Guangzhou but you may need help finding the warehouse shopping centre. Thanks

Anonymous said...

Hi Kathie,
I'm really happy to find your blog. Will be going to hk and senzhen next year and this blog kinda answer a lot of may question about Louhu. Btw, does the shop's number showed on the top of their store so will be for us easy to see the number? And have you ever been to shop at dong men? I've heard that place is also interesting.
thank you.
ceecee

Kathie Ginman said...

Hi Cee Cee. Yes, the numbers are really easy to see. I haven't been shopping in Dongmen but have heard it is good. It's really jsut a time thing and I am happy to do all my shopping in one centre even if it is a bit more expensive. Thanks

Anonymous said...

Hi Kathy,

Do you know what the best place is where i can buy custom made bed linen made of Egyptian cotton?

Anonymous said...

I really want to say that this is the best information anyone could get and I really appreciate the time and energy you have spent to provide us with this invaluable information..
Thank you and it was so interesting to read all this... You should be a columnist..
High regards for you.

Kathie Ginman said...

Sorry I do not know where to get custom linen from. I do know that Kyle sells copy linen like Chanel and the fifth floor has material. Maybe up there.

And thanks if I could make a living from this website I would do it full time! Glad you enjoy it!





milandrin said...

Hi Kathie, really love your blog. Very informative and helpful for the un-initiated like me.

From your blog and comments you obviously like and trust Kyle and questions relate to him.

I am going to HK in June with the boys, who are not really into the shopping you do (although we will all be buying stuff for our better halves back in Sydney). As such a trip to Shenzhen is out of the question.

so here are my questions:
1. will I find same quality at the ladies market in HK as Shenzhen?
2. do you know if Kyle has someone at the Ladies market who he recommends?
3. do you know if Kyle deliver to our HK hotel rooms?
4. do you know if Kyle will send product to Sydney purchased by someone he hasn't met?

Sorry for the questions, I just want to get the best quality replica (or factory over-run) handbag, purse, jewellery, etc for the better half on my trip.

milandrin said...

Hi Kathie, really love your blog. Very informative and helpful for the un-initiated like me.

From your blog and comments you obviously like and trust Kyle and questions relate to him.

I am going to HK in June with the boys, who are not really into the shopping you do (although we will all be buying stuff for our better halves back in Sydney). As such a trip to Shenzhen is out of the question.

so here are my questions:
1. will I find same quality at the ladies market in HK as Shenzhen?
2. do you know if Kyle has someone at the Ladies market who he recommends?
3. do you know if Kyle deliver to our HK hotel rooms?
4. do you know if Kyle will send product to Sydney purchased by someone he hasn't met?

Sorry for the questions, I just want to get the best quality replica (or factory over-run) handbag, purse, jewellery, etc for the better half on my trip.

Kathie Ginman said...

Hi there.

Just to answer your questions quickly

1. will I find same quality at the ladies market in HK as Shenzhen?

No, but you do find a limited range of some bags and goods. Not very authentic though. Some people want to show you bags elsewhere but the prices are double that than Shen Zhen.

2. do you know if Kyle has someone at the Ladies market who he recommends?

NO he doesn't

3. do you know if Kyle deliver to our HK hotel rooms?

NO I don't know this as I have never had to do this. I know some tailors do though. My only concern is that they don't turn up on time and you have left the country. You could ask him.

4. do you know if Kyle will send product to Sydney purchased by someone he hasn't met?

Yes! This is part of his business. He does a lot of trade overseas. You pay him via paypal and his catalogues are online. Just email him for availability. My dentist secretart just got a delivery last week on my recommendation. Never met him in her life!

Just note his bags are not super cheap. They reflect his quality. So if you want a real leather handbag they will be arond $100. But that is what you pay and more for real leather in Australia. Oroton are over $300. Non leather are around $30 which are great value.

Have fun!

Lisa said...

Hi Kathie, just wanted to say thank you for this blog! I have just come back from HK, and I went to Shenzhen and got Ada to make me five jackets, three dresses, a skirt and a pair of linen pants. The total price was $300 AUS, I had some fabric already, and got the rest from the market. All the garments were copied from other pieces that I left with her. I ordered the items on a Tuesday, and they were delivered to my hotel on Thursday afternoon, I left $150 HKD with hotel reception as payment for the delivery person.
I'm thrilled with everything, they are perfect copies. Thanks again!

Korean Stig said...

Hello Kathie,

Do you have any wholesalers or points of contact for Guangzhou? Would love a contact or two for bags, jerseys and trainers. Love your blog! Thanks in advance.

Kathie Ginman said...

That's brilliant thanks for the update as I haven't used her in a while:)

Kathie Ginman said...

Hi Korean Stig, I haven't been to Guangzhou for a few years now, sorry. The bags companies I have found are on this blog. Clothing? you will need to Google this. There are wholesale areas near the train station I think. Sorry I can't help

Anonymous said...

Kathie
Do you know if shops will be open on first Sunday of Chinese New Year or where I can find out this information? Only have one day to visit Shenzen on 22nd February as will be on cruise ship.
Bev

Anonymous said...

Kathie
Have only one day to visit Shenzen as will be on cruise ship. Unfortunately that day is Sunday February 22 - right in the middle of Chinese New Year. Do you know if shops will be open or how I can find out?
Bev

Anonymous said...

Is there security check on the way back to HK. what if they open your bag, can they fine you

Kathie Ginman said...

I have never been checked ever. I don't think they care at all.

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Anonymous said...

Ive never been to china before, bumped into kyle's website, placed an order last week from him after reading all sorts of good reviews about the quality of his bags. But am scared and worried these bags might not get to me but seized by the customs. I am in the Uk. Has anyone had parcel delivered to them safely without customs seizure from kyle? I sent payment to him through western union though, he didnt give me paypal option.

Anonymous said...

Hi katy.. Kyle's bags, do they have the same leather feel of a genuine LV purse if you buy the aaa quality? And will they turn to patina color in time? Thank you

Kathie Ginman said...

Yes. The leather is divine! He will tell you if it isn't. Never had any colour change with AAA quality. xx

Jas said...

Hi Katy, have you been back recently? Would like to know if there are any change in the shops over there :) also, is it safe for tourists to stay overnight in SZ?

Many thanks for helping with the above queries!

Kathie Ginman said...

Hi Jas

I haven't been for a couple of years but it is safe to stay overnight. My friends have been recently this year and have gone to all my suppliers. The only recommendation would be that I would stay in a decent chain hotel close to the shopping centre.

have fun Thanks Kathie

Unknown said...

Hi. May I know how to contact kyle?

Sunil kathuria said...

Hi,
One of the best blog I have come across with so much of information. Planing to go to China in March will touch base with you before going and will be great to find someone going there sometime.

Anonymous said...

Thanks so much for the very detailed info. Will be visiting Hong Kong in April for the 2016 Hong Kong Sevens and im planning to visit Shenzhen for shopping especially in Luohu.
Vinaka.

Anonymous said...

Hi, what is Kyle's website please?